tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9036104775563265647.post6611300820749804133..comments2024-03-25T12:31:58.169+00:00Comments on David Stimpson: The Therapy ZoneDavid Stimpsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15196038086564981619noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9036104775563265647.post-33934112616864010112012-01-14T09:12:12.382+00:002012-01-14T09:12:12.382+00:00Hello Moor,
Thank you for the link, all very ...Hello Moor,<br /><br /> Thank you for the link, all very interesting information, and a very good German website.<br /> Of course the screening order of 'the Prisoner' is not the most imprtant thing about the series. But even so, there are facets of this that cannot be denied. What's more why should not 'A B and C' be followed by 'The General.' Furthermore 'the Chimes of Big Ben' followed by 'Once Upon A Time,' which might even be logical to the village Administration. Because why bother to send a particular No.2 from the village, only to have him brought back for a second term......ah, I notice that you have found the flaw in that particular idea, that fact that when No.2 in 'Once Upon A Time' utters the words on the telephone "You brought me back here." Words which No.2 would not utter if he had not been able to leave the village after his term of office during 'The Chimes of Big Ben!' You see, it's fascinating.<br /><br />Regards<br />David<br />Be seeing youDavid Stimpsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196038086564981619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9036104775563265647.post-18920258321349542692012-01-13T11:57:46.795+00:002012-01-13T11:57:46.795+00:00One that has interested me was the German order. B...One that has interested me was the German order. Because of the delays required for dubbing, they had all 17 episodes available, but elected to only use 13, and seem to have ended up with this:<br /><br />c. German episode order<br />ARRIVAL<br />RETURNS<br />ABC<br />GENERAL<br />CHECKMATE<br />FUNERAL<br />DANCE<br />FORSAKE<br />GIRL<br />HAMMER<br />CHIMES<br />ONCE<br />FALL<br /><br />They seem to have made the links between the actors playing the Number Two's. It would be interesting to know who made those choices. They certainly must have been very familiar with the show, in order to dub it first.<br /><br />The German website is my favourite one, and seems to have the most [useful and accurate] information too.... ;-D<br /><br />http://www.match-cut.de/tho/tallyho44.htmMoor Larkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05275057917684784541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9036104775563265647.post-26297448009977712882012-01-13T11:45:13.546+00:002012-01-13T11:45:13.546+00:00Hello Moor,
Re: how my wife first watched ...Hello Moor,<br /><br /> Re: how my wife first watched 'the Prisoner,' here is the full screening list, and is in accordance with how she was able to purchase the video tapes back in the late 1980's.<br /><br />Arrival<br />The Chimes of Big Ben<br />Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling<br />Living In Harmony<br />It's Your Funeral<br />A Change of Mind<br />Checkmate<br />Hammer Into Anvil<br />Many Happy Returns<br />Dance of the Dead<br />A B and C<br />Free For All<br />The Girl Who Was Death<br />Once Upon A Time<br />Fall Out<br />The Schizoid Man<br />The General<br /><br /> And even seeing 'Fall Out' as an earlier episode didn't seem to matter. So how about that?.....Any comments?<br /><br />{Credit goes to Simon Morris for the above screening list}<br /><br />Regards<br />David<br />Be viewing you.....despite the order.David Stimpsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196038086564981619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9036104775563265647.post-32095778870082352172012-01-13T11:34:30.579+00:002012-01-13T11:34:30.579+00:00Hello Moor,
There was once, going way back in...Hello Moor,<br /><br /> There was once, going way back into the late 1980's, a great debate between fans of 'the Prisoner' as to what the correct screening order is. I think that several fans came up with several different screening orders, which appeared to be a simple matter of personal choice.<br /> For myself, I have always accepted ATV's screening order, the order as released later on both video and DVD. Of course 'Arrival' has to be first, with 'Once Upon A Time' the penultimate episode and lastly but not leastly 'Fall Out.' After that the episodes in between can fit in any order the viewer wishes, except for 'Many Happy Returns,' which has to be an earlier episode because of the Prisoner's bithday being March 19th, and of course both episodes of 'A B and C' and 'The Schizoid Man' have The Tally Ho as being dated Feb10th. In the latter it is the date that is important placing the episode firmly in the month of February, and in the former it is the headline of the newspaper 'Is No.2 Fit For Further Term?' which questions No.2's health, not his ability as No.2. But apart from that..... It is curious that McGoohan never made comment regarding the screening order of the series. I suppose that was the last thing on his mind at the time, and not so important to him. But yes, McGoohan is right when he stated that the viewer is able to watch each episode as an isolated episode, in the way each has a self contained story. All the viewer needs is to watch 'Arrival' first so as to have the series set out.<br /><br /> I think both episodes 'It's Your Funeral' and 'A Change of Mind' do suffer a little from the over use of back-drops of the village, instead of the real thing. The back-drops of Portmeirion used in the episodes have become far more noticable since 'the Prisoner' has undergone at least three remastering processes.<br /><br /> My wife has just read this comment, and commented herself that she first saw the series on video and watched them according to how she was able to purchase the tapes. So she watched 'Arrival' and The Chimes of Big Ben,' followed by Do Not forsake Me oh My Darling' and 'Living In Harmony' and it didn't matter at all not having seen the episodes in between. So that is a fine example.<br /><br />As ever<br />David<br />BCNUDavid Stimpsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196038086564981619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9036104775563265647.post-92014426163823881422012-01-12T10:27:59.242+00:002012-01-12T10:27:59.242+00:00It struck me last night that the other problem wit...It struck me last night that the other problem with *modern* Prisoner watching is that people often watch it in the wrong order and so come out with very different feelings. I think this is why you get comments about how it starts really well and then goes very flabby. By cramming in all the location-rich episodes at the beginning the viewers get a distorted sense of the show.<br /><br />Claims are often made that the original broadcast order was entirely arbitrary. It has always seemed weird to me that the same people who spy the most arcane details that the producers inserted into individual episodes will then claim that those same producers who went to such care, would also have allowed the episodes to be broadcast seemingly at random. I know of course that this notion tends to stem from the slight changes enforced very near the end of the UK run, but these were pretty minor. The final position of Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling when the show was first put together for the USA has intrigued me since I first noticed it however. <br /><br />It is a curious fact that McGoohan never seems to have commented on the ordering, considering it seems a big issue for many fans of the show. Before the show was made however, he did comment that apart from the first one, he wanted to make every episode able to be watched in isolation, so in that sense maybe he would think he'd been proved right I suppose.... ;-DMoor Larkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05275057917684784541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9036104775563265647.post-89608485364353348242012-01-12T09:12:48.688+00:002012-01-12T09:12:48.688+00:00Hello Moor,
I sure that some people who write ...Hello Moor,<br /><br /> I sure that some people who write books about 'the Prisoner' have never watched the series, while others who have, do not have a tremendous grasp of the series. One of the worst books I've found to be written about 'the Prisoner' is called 'Fall Out' by Alan Stevens and Fiona Moore. I managed to get through about half the book, then put it back on the shelf and there it has remained since 2007!<br /><br /> I cannot speak for Jack Lowen, but I know some members of the cast and crew never actually watched the series, whereas others did. In fact David Tomblin was in a public house when 'Fall Out' was either being shown, or had been shown, and he asked the customers in the public house what they thought of it. And they told him in no uncertain terms!<br /><br />Regards<br />David<br />BCNUDavid Stimpsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15196038086564981619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9036104775563265647.post-56026383119328981102012-01-11T12:30:30.631+00:002012-01-11T12:30:30.631+00:00I recall watching that snippet with Mr.Lowin too. ...I recall watching that snippet with Mr.Lowin too. I can recall thinking to myself, "You've been talking to these fans too much Jack"..... :-D<br /><br />I wonder if people like Jack Lowin ever actually watched the show. I sometimes wonder if people who write books about The Prisoner have ever watched it either.... :-DMoor Larkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05275057917684784541noreply@blogger.com