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Wednesday 20 June 2012

Information & Observation

    Fall Out enjoys a mass evacuation of the village, well perhaps enjoys is not the most appropriate word, but nevertheless there is a mass evacuation caused by the launching of a rocket. During this evacuation helicopters appear to lift off from all corners of the village. There is one shot taken from the direction of the cafe, it shows the cottage of the General Stores and No.6's house with no buildings behind them. This is caused by the blue sky and the helicopters superimposed onto the film.
    At the beginning of the closing credits there are two different versions of the Prisoner's face and the closing bars. It is usual to see the bars begin to close as the face of the Prisoner is increasing in size, and the bars then clang shut to stop the Prisoner from escaping. However in the second version, the Prisoner's face has almost finished moving before the bars even begin to close.
    The expression "Be seeing you" and accompanying hand salute can be used as a greeting, an ominous reference to surveillance, or simply due to the size of the village, you are more than likely to "Be seeing" someone you have already met again later that day, or indeed any day after that. A modern day abbreviation of "Be seeing you" is "BCNU." Whoever so thought of the use of this expression together with the village salute is not known. However I have it from an extremely good authority on the subject, that the origin of both the phrase and hand salute together is errr known. But unfortunately at this time I am not in the position to shed any further light on this matter, other than to say that it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Christian sign of the fish, in the way that ancient Christians used to identify themselves to one another.
    It is claimed that the "Rover" balloons were obtained from a nearby meteorological station, after Patrick McGoohan had seen one rising in the sky. This he saw as being the perfect replacement for the go-kart with added dome and flashing blue light, being that of the original village guardian that failed so successfully. Several hundreds of the weather balloons were used. Some filled with pure air, then just Helium. A mixture of Helium and air, helium and water, air and water, helium, air and water. All experimental to see how the best way was to control the village guardian. This by attached wires, or having filled "Rover" in the normal course of events, then to be added to the film in backwards motion. This so that when you see "Rover" chasing No.6, or after a runaway taxi, it is the reversed film of "Rover" inserted into the footage which you are watching. Special effects of the kind, are not so employed today. But just think how "Rover" could enjoy, and be controlled via computer generated effects. But then "Rover" is never likely to feature in any such remake of the Prisoner is it?
   During the 1980's Patrick McGoohan filmed his own documentary on ‘the Prisoner’ series. Although this was never screened, it is entitled The L.A. Tape, of which I have seen some footage, but could not recommend anyone to take the time to sit through it all, even if you were able to obtain a copy.

{On consideration, the above should have been posted under the title 'Out of The Archive' seeing as I first wrote it in 2007}

Be seeing you

36 comments:

  1. I remember having read that the BCNU acronym was invented and used by those sending Morse coded messages. Sounds very likely. More than anything else of the "futuristic" Prisoner gadgetry "Rover", this amorphous being despite its rather laughable origin as a special effect, has shown its potential as a symbol or a sign (let alone: allegory) for the dual character of technical progress. And: Didn't Rover reappear in the Prisoner09?! - Be seeing you!

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    1. Hello Arno,

      How are you, well I trust.

      Yes, having thought about it, the above article should have been posted under the title of 'Out of The Archive,' as I first wrote it in 2007. And yes, quite right 'Rover' did appear in THEPRIS6NER-09, but 'it' had developed by then.

      BCNU may very well have been used by those sending morse coded messages during the war, although I never came across that during my research. I know that a member of six of One: The Prisoner Appreciation claimed to be the first to write be seeing you in the abreviated form of BCNU, that is documented in one of the Number Six magazines of the 1980's and 90's.

      Kind regards
      David
      Be seeing you

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  2. - . . . / - . - . / - . / . . -
    is a fairly long-winded morse acronym, just to sign off with.

    John Drake occasionally used the phrase, but it was a very common auf weiderschen really, with a very famous song, "I'll be seeing You", becoming a popular hit for Bing Crosby in 1944, in the film of the same name.

    The hand signal is more intriguing, but I always just saw it as a sort of salute, as if to suggest looking at the other person through a telescope - or to put a moor modern twist on it, perhaps a telescopic camera zoom lens.

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    1. Hello Moor,

      As far as the phrase "Be seeing you" goes you are perfectly correct in your comment, and there are a large number of films from the 1940's and 50's, on both sides of the Atlantic, in which the phrase is used.

      And again you are correct regading the intruiging hand gesture used by citizens in the Village, it is a slaute, and I liked your idea of it appearing to look like seeing the other person through a telescope.

      However, the origin of the use of the phrase "Be seeing you" used in conjunction with the salute, is not solely the privilage of 'the Prisoner.' The origin goes back a lot further than the 1940's and 50's. One day you'll be able to read all about it in my book.

      Kind regards
      David
      Be seeing you

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    2. Hello David

      I have returned to our conversation about The Village 'salute'. Without asking you to compromise your more than just private scholarship can you say that the origin you speak of had a direct connection to the series or Mr. Patrick McGoohan.

      Here is an example of my own theory that The Village 'salute' is what is known as the 'Vesica Piscis' and how it is seen in direct images in the series.

      The Vesica Piscis is both an architectural and religious symbol.

      It was used in architecture and religion to mean the joining together of Heaven and Earth by the joining of two circles that then the mid-point forms the Vesica Piscis.

      The Vesica Piscis was used as a salute by the Free Masons and as a mudra ( hand gesture) in Eastern religions.

      McGoohan would have been aware of all three of these given his interest in math, architecture and religious symbols, all known parts of his personal interests and personal studies.

      Now if you look at the links below you will see the Vesica Piscis used in Free For All at the top of the chairman's
      chair is just where it would be placed in the inner chambers of a Masonic lodge in the form of 'The Eye of Providence' the rest of the chamber in Free For All is also laid out in Masonic tradition.

      Next you can see in the alternative version of Chimes of Big Ben how the Penny Farthing symbol become images of Heaven and Earth and then eventually merge, two circles which would form the Vesica Piscis.

      Finally there is a link to an image of the mudra as used in eastern religion it is similar to the hand gesture used by Free Mason's and architects. The gesture (mudra) is used in conjunction with the phrase 'I will see you.' referring to the the seeing of the inner-self.

      My question is do you feel the origin, that you write of above, of The Village salute has a similar connection to Mr. McGoohan or the visuals we see in the series? Again I appreciate your need of private scholarship until publication.

      Sincerely

      Mr. Anonymous

      Vesica Piscis

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesica_piscis

      Free For All

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfTpZQNqjYM&list=PL5BA382CFF95DF36D&index=3&feature=plcp

      Chimes Of Big Ben

      http://www.bookmice.net/darkchilde/prisoner/chimes2.html

      Mudra

      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/VitarkaMudra.JPG

      Free Mason Lodge

      http://whatisthepyramid.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/mexico.masonic.lodge.room.op.jpg

      http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/freemasons-10.jpg

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    3. Hello Mister Anonymous,

      If you saw your comment had failed to appear, that's because the machine 'spammed' it, and I 'un-spammed' this morning.

      I can see that you have put a great deal of time, thought, and effort into your comment, and that is very much appreciated. What's more I enjoyed reading your comment, it's good. But I have to say that you are a way off beam to the origin of the Village slaute used in conjunction with the phrase "Be seeing you."

      The origin has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Patrick McGoohan, and is not connected to 'the Prisoner' series in anyway, save for it's use. Nor is the 'origin' to do with the Free Masons, or Vesica Pisics. I was told the origin of the Village salute by an old gentleman, who had never heard of 'the Prisoner,' let alone seen it. But when I explained it to him, he knew instantly what I meant by the salute. What's more, I am the 'first' person ever, to make notation of this origin. Nowhere else, in books, or on the Wonderful World Wide Web is it written down.

      The Visual salute you see in 'the Prisoner' series, is close to the original salute. It is possible that McGoohan came across the orignal salute {how. I don't know, it would have had to be verbal knowledge and from someone who knew of it} and adapted it slightly, but only slightly, for 'the Prisoner.'

      More than that I cannot say, as my lips are sealed under pain of death, until one day my manuscript is eventually published.

      Very kind regards
      David
      Be seeing you

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  3. I don't know about the O, except it is also quite similar to the OK sign used by scuba-divers, and I think it has long been a common military salutation.

    I was motivated to add to Mr.A's point about the EYE over the chair in Free-For-All. The all-seeing eye appears on the dollar bill most famously too. However, the Free-Masonry schtick was ruminated upon in the blog that seemed to be part of the Guerilla PR Campaign for the new Pri6oner show, back in 2009.

    http://tallyhonewsnetwork.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/7-ages-of-prisoner-pt-7.html

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    1. Hello Moor,

      That's quite right about the OK sign used by divers. In fact over the years fans of 'the Prisoner' have found numerous ways to explain the Village salute, but they've never come close to the actual origin!

      As ever
      David
      BCNU

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  4. Hello Moor

    The 'O' or 'OK' sign combined with the phrase 'Be seeing you.' was in wide use by people in the theater. The 'O' sign (placed near the eye) represented a camera lens and the phrase was a shortening of the popular "I'll be seeing you in the movies."

    It was in popular use when theater people were migrating from the stage to films.

    Sincerely

    Mr. Anonymous

    Ps There is documentation of this in books and magazines of the era.

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  5. Hello David.

    You are correct that there are traditions that pass on a version of that Village salute by verbal transmission . One such is the mentioned Free Mason gesture.

    There is in Ireland a version of the'Evil Eye' that is like the 'O' sign held to the eye with the phrase 'An Eye will see you .' repeated three times. It is a reference to a malignant one eyed deity in ancient Irish history. These stories are passed on by oral tradition.

    Something like the above seems likely to have been known to Mr. McGoohan given his Irish heritage. My question is do you know by what means Mr. McGoohan (or Tomblin / Markstein) may have come to know of your origin of the Vilage salute?

    Sincerely

    Mr. Anonymous

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    1. Hello Mr. Anonymous,

      I'm not so sure that either Tomblin or Markstein would have known the origin of the Village salute. However it is possible that McGoohan might have known, but not becasue of his Irish heritage. But of course we will never know.

      The hand sign has been used the world over, and has a number of different meanings in a variety of different countries. I have come across quite a few myself during my research, but for myself it has always been the origin that has intrigued me, and not its subsequent use, save for in 'the Prisoner.'

      Regards
      David
      BCNU

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  6. McGoohan certainly like to play on the sound-a-like/look-alikes. The interplay between I,1, eye and aye seemed to reach a positive crescendo in Fall Out, with the Carmen Miranda song.

    I did read that the first guy to use the salute (the grocer) said he had to repeat the gesture several times before the director was satisfied... that seems to indicate Tomblin/McGoohan/Chaffey had some precision in mind about it.

    Markstein, so far as can be ascertained never set foor near either location or studio shooting stages so I agree that he played no part in the salutation ideas at all.

    McGoohan certainly had some special fixation about the phrase "Be seeing you". In the original publicity material for the show he mentions that he is keeping all he can as secret as he can, but he does remark that the phrase "be seeing you" is going to start becoming a catchphrase. He throws it in as his goodbye line in the Troyer interview, and again in the interview made for the Channel 4 documentary in the 1980's.

    Moor

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    1. Hello Moor,

      Yes indeed, is it "I,I,I,I,I,I,I" or "Aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye," is confusing, yet the the subtitles have it as "Aye, aye, aye, aye," meaning to give assent, - yes - welcome - agreement, and concurrence. And that Carmen Miranda song, never did like it, and liked it even less since it's use in 'Fall Out.'

      Yes, I read that too about the shopkeeper having to give the salute several times. As for McGoohan giving the salute, if you watch closely, he gives a more relaxed, open handed salute, the fore-finger and thumb not making the circle.

      Regards
      David
      BCNU

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    2. I don't think you can apply much *authority* to whatever, whoever, decided to apply to the sub-titling all those many years later.

      I think that from a dramatic point of view, the interplay between the visual similarity of the figure One to the letter I, the soundalikeness of the letter I with the all-seeing eye and the concomittant sound of the chant of Aye, was designed for an effect. The way McGoohan combined them all demands that we accept there was a deliberate dramatic purpose to it, and not just a fumbling coincidence.

      What did it all mean? What it was obviously, and therein lies the thousand different interests for a thousand different people. .... ;-D
      "members of Les Six collaborated with dada movement members"
      http://www.artinthepicture.com/styles/Dadaism/

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    3. Hello Moor,

      You could say that 'the Prisoner' is all in the 'Eye' of the beholder!

      Regards
      David
      BCNU

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  7. Hello David & Moor

    Concerning the matter of all the Eye, I, Aye, that are seen repeated through out the series, the Village salute may be a simple modification of the Boy Scout salute and oath taking ceremony.

    Here is the original 1908 oath taking ceremony:

    "Before he becomes a scout, a boy must take the scout's oath, thus:
On my honour I promise that---
    1. I will do my duty to God and the King.
    2. I will do my best to help others, whatever it costs me.
    3. I know the scout law, and will obey it.

    While taking this oath the scout will stand, holding his right hand raised level with his shoulder, palm to the front, thumb resting on the nail of the digitus minimus (little finger) and the other three fingers upright, pointing upwards:---
This is the scout's salute and secret sign."


    http://whatthefluffy.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/boy-scouts-troop7-newbedford.jpg

    The promises that No.6 mumbles to secure The Village in his election stupor in Free For All are not unlike the 1908 oath ceremony of the Scouts.

    Sincerely

    Mr. Anonymous

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    1. Hello Mister Anonymous,

      What is it Curtis said, oh yes, "It's good agricultural stuff......" and you are to be congratulated for your continued research into the question of the Village salute. Indeed you are adding to the already substantial amount of information accumulated over the years regarding the different interpretations, and use of the salute in a variety of guises. But unfortunately what I was told has nothing to do with Boy Scouts.

      Regards
      David
      BCNU

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  8. "It's good agricultural stuff......"

    Hello David

    Yes, it may all be "good agricultural stuff......", as Curtis says.;)

    I am wondering as an author if you have an idea of how Mr. McGoohan may have come to know your version of The Village salute?

    The simplest solution might be that the Village salute is completely original to The Prisoner as a series and can be seen as a stylized rendering of the Penney Farthing logo of The Village. The thumb and forefinger 'circle' form the big wheel and the saluter's other eye forms the 'little wheel' with the three extended fingers representing the canopy. The three fingers also could mean the Village motto of PROGRESS PROGRESS PROGRESS. The 'Be seeing you.' can be seen in the the way the salute forms the letters BCNU… BCNU was a common sign off on radio programs (1920-1960) often combined with the OK salute.

    http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/prisoner5.jpg

    Mr. McGoohan would have known of the Christian gesture of ICXC which was considered a sign of blessing and substituted BCNU.

    http://www.saintelias.com/foto/big/blessgicxc_illu.jpg

    http://www.comeandseeicons.com/icxc/ftj13.jpg

    Sincerely

    Mr. Anonymous

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    1. Hello Mister Anonymous,

      Firstly it's not my version of the Village salute, it's the 'origin' the very first time it was used. How McGoohan would have known about it I cannot say, because I don't know if he did or not.
      And there is no necessity for him to have known it, in order to use it.
      However I can tell you this much, the Village salute is most definately not original to 'the Prisoner,' as you will see when you watch Batman and Robin, with Sammy Davis Jnr, which pre-dates 'the Prisoner.' on YouTube, here is the link. http://youtu.be/kEgWYcWyhsc

      Regards
      David
      BCNU

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  9. Hello David

    Thanks for the Batman link. Very amusing. The salute that the 'boy wonder' gives is the 'two finger' salute of the Cub Scouts.

    Of interest is that the salute in one form is to bear a resemblance to a wolf. Perhaps a 'Lone Wolf'? ;-)

    The 'Be seeing you.' salute that Robin gives was a common way of saying 'good bye' and then imitate the motion of 'tipping' ones hat as a sign of respect, even if the party imparting the gesture has no hat on at the time. This is still quite common in the U.S.

    Sincerely

    Mr. Anonymous

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    1. Hello Mister Anonymous,

      Well all I can say about the salute Robin gives in that clip from 'Batman' is, that a friend of mine who first drew my attention to it, thought, said it was the Village salute. I'll have to take another look at the clip.

      Sorry to be brief, but I've already had some bad news this morning, and it's knocked me for six.

      Kind regards
      David
      BCNU

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  10. Hello David

    I am sorry to hear ill news has reached you. I hope all is well soon.

    Sincerely

    Mr. Anonymous

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    1. Hello Mister Anonymous,

      Thank you for your kind concern, it is much appreciated.
      The bad news came via my email inbox yesterday, from a publisher who was considering my manuscript about 'the Prisoner' for publication, I had high hopes. A "Very publishable" manuscript is how it is described, yet they still turned it down. To have a manuscript turned down is nothing new to me, but this time it was different. It took over a year for me to hear that news since I first contacted the publisher in question. Over the months I had received very encouraging noises, and they even requested that I make drastic amendments to it. That involved a great deal of work. Now they have turned it down, and it hurts. Now I have to start again from scratch searching for a possible publisher! I have a manuscript which fans of 'the Prisoner' all over the world are waiting to see published, and so able to read my book, and I'm beginning to question whether it will ever be published!

      Kind regards
      David
      Be seeing you

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  11. Hello David

    I thought you might enjoy this validation that a 'salute' and the phrase "I'll be seeing you." was documented in 1933 in a book titled 'The Golden Falcon'.

    The Golden Falcon

    1933 - 407 pages
    "Nodding, blinking, smiling, and making a sort of amiable grunting, Homer spread his right hand in salute after salute of greeting-farewell, and left them. "I'll be seeing you, I'll be seeing you."

    Note that the phrase is used as a means of saying 'farewell' or 'good-bye'.

    Sincerely

    Mr. Anonymous

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    1. Hello Mister Anonymous,

      That's extremely interesting, I'd not heard of this one before, or heard any fellow aficionado of 'the Prisoner' make mention of it. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
      Perhaps someone should colate all various uses of the phrase and salute you have documented in your comments, or have you aleardy done that yourself as I suspect.

      Kind regards
      David
      Be seeing you

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  12. Hello David

    I have organized the salutes and the documentation for the sake of conversations such as this one, yes.

    I have suggested before that what sounds like your very interesting work on The Prisoner might be a good candidate for 'print on demand' publication offered by Amazon.com.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/seller-account/mm-summary-page.html?topic=200260520

    The advantages are numerous. You can control the content of your book and even update it as you see fit. It is put out in digital form to Kindle. You can arrange your own PR campaign to more traditional book stores ( independents are the best) but if your sales are good Amazon will get you a traditional publisher. The authors royalties on sales are better.

    I know of one author who turned his book readings into 'workshops' on his subject and makes a living from them as well as the sales of the books.Thus the promotion tour for his book became a means of living. With the above there is no expense in the promotion. On one occasion he arranged a series of book readings over the internet.

    There is also print on demand publishing at iuniverse.com

    Back to the matter of The Village salute a common way of saying 'good-bye' is the phrase 'O.K. Be seeing you.'when ending a conversation... the 'O.K. sign' was often used in tandem with the phrase but substituting the spoken O.K. for the sign.

    O.K.itself came from an archaic Old English spelling of 'All Correct' spelled as 'Oll Korrect'. Oll Korrect was shortened to 'O.K.' in various inventory records when a proper account had been made.

    Sincerely

    Mr. Anonymous

    P.S. I wish you well on your publishing ventures.

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    1. Hello Mister Anonymous,

      I thought you would have organised and documented the variety of uses of the salute, and they have proved to be very interesting. If memory serves, the salute using thumb and forefinger in Brazil i think it is, means I will kill you. perhaps if a reader from Brazil reads this he or she might wish to comment.

      I thank you for your support and well wishing for my publishing ventures. e-Book publishing had been suggested to me only the other day, and wrongly I dismissed it, or saw it as a last resort, becasue I would be doing all the work as in self-publishing, a road I once traversed, but am not willing to go down that road again. However, since receiving an email from a good friend suggesting e-book publishing, I have had second thoughts, and then I read your comment a few moments ago, and I thank you for the information which is very much appreciated. I shall be looking into the possibility of e-book publishing. Certainly I want my book also to be in the traditional form of a book that people can get their hands on. As not everyone reads books on line or has a Kindle book.
      I was wrong to dismiss e-book publishing, as it may turn out to be my only way to get the book published in the end, so as a writer, and for all the fans and aficianados of 'the Prisoner' around the world who are waiting, and have been waiting for a long time to read my book, I must explore every avenue open to me.

      Again, thank you for your advice and kind words.

      Very best regards
      David
      Be seeing you

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  13. Hello David

    I thought you might enjoy the idea that there is a James Bond version of the 'salute'. It occurs in Thunderball (1965) when we see Major Derval exit Fiona Volpe's bed chamber and he says 'Ciao', if you look close you will see the thumb and forefinger are closed to form the circle (see link).

    In the next sequence Major Derval's 'double'(cc) fails to make the complete 'thumb forefinger' salute (see link).

    'Ciao' Like 'Be seeing you'(BCNU) of course means 'good-bye' as used in the scenes.

    The 'salute' the 'real' Major Derval uses is typical of the 'hat tip' used from 1900 ( and earlier) to the present with the phrase 'Be seeing you.', as often heard by the John Drake character in Danger Man and once by the 'Invisible Man' character Peter Brady.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgVeeHOjpIc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgVeeHOjpIc

    Sincerely

    Mr. Anonymous

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    1. Hello Mister Anonymous,

      I've seen 'Thunderball' several times, and it seems that both the salute and greeting have passed me by, although I recall the 'Ciao.' I'll have to take a closer look at the scenes.
      Yes John Drake uses the phrase 'Be seeing you' quite a lot, but I hadn't realised that of the 'Invisible Man.' Thank you again for drawing this to my attention, and for the links

      Reghards
      David
      Dare I say it.......Be seeing you

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  14. Hello David

    Apologies. An 'evil twin' or cheap carbon copy of the proper second link slipped into my first post.;-)

    Here is the proper link with second sequence with the phony Major Derval.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7mZ0lUNTX8

    You will note the gas gun used and there is a sequence in Thunderball not unlike the Green Dome complete with references to No.1 and No.2.

    Sincerely

    Me. Anonymous

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    1. Hello Mister Anonymous,

      Yes I've seen the video clip in question, I had heard the word 'Caio' but had forgoten the salute, very Village indeed. But as for the nerve gas, it is despensed from a small gas canister, not a gun as in 'the Schizoid Man' and 'Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling.' Mind you the 'economy pack' Major Derval does hold a handkerchif to his face as he adminsiters the nerve gas, something which the Chauffeur in the basement of the Barbers shop in 'Do Not Forsake Me Oh My Darling' doesn't!

      Regards
      David
      BCNU

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  15. Hello David

    The other Prisoner connection is the Original No.2 Guy Doleman in the role of Count Lippe.

    Sincerely

    Mr. Anonymous

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    1. Hello Mister Anonymous,

      That's absolutely correct, and here is another 'Prisoner' link - are you familiar with the 'Harry Palmer' films starring Michael Caine? In the three films 'The Ipcress Files,' 'Funeral In Berlin,' and 'The Billion Dollar Brain,' Guy Doleman plays Colonel Ross. Sometimes, fictionally speaking, I think of Number 2 {Guy Doleman} as Colonel Ross having been seconded by the Village.

      Regards
      David
      BCNU

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  16. Hello David

    A simple version of The Village salute is the habit that dart players have in many pubs to approach a potential fellow player and raise their fingers to the eye imitating the siting method used in the throwing of a dart, followed by the phrase 'Be seeing you.', in the form of a challenge.

    Adding interest is how a dart board looks a bit like the Penny Farthing wheel surrounded by numbers.

    Sincerely

    Mr. Anonymous

    P.S. I was wondering if you have had any further notions of how Mr. McGoohan could have come across the version of The Village salute of which you learned the origin of. It would seem a logical comment to add to your interesting sounding book if just so the reader might see some form of linkage to the series.

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    1. Hello Mister Anonymous,

      Yes I had observed the darts players, and how each dart player as a slight variation of their own siting method. Indeed I had one when I used to play darts, but that was many years ago now.

      Yes, the dartboard does have a similarirty to the farthing wheel of a Penny Farthing bicycle. Not only does it have numbers, but also circles within circles, as 'the Prisoner' series is a circle, a vicious circle!

      To be perfectly honest I've had a great deal to think about recently, however regarding Patrick McGoohan and how he might have learned of the origin of the Village salute which I learned, 'has' been documented in my manuscript, connecting it to the series. But if I wrote how Patrick McGoohan might have learned of it here in my blog, I would be putting it in the public domain, not that that would help anyone. But as a writer I must protect my source of information, which is a most singular one.

      Regards
      David
      Be seeing you

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  17. Hello David

    Indeed I appreciate your need of private scholarship until publication. I was concerned as to whether your books narrative was able to show how your version of The Village salute made it's Arrival in the narrative devices of The Prisoner but that seems to have been addressed.

    Sincerely

    Mr. Anonymous

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